#11

Member
Northern Arizona
(03-30-2017, 08:26 PM)Freddy Wrote: Why is Yogi Berra's famous bon mot coming to mind about this thread, 'IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN'? Rolleyes
You are my new hero! Then again, anyone who quotes Yogi's gets that status!
Yogi to his barber: "Don't cut my throat, I may want to do that later myself!" Wink

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#12

Super Moderator
San Diego, Cal., USA
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2017, 01:27 AM by Freddy.)
(03-31-2017, 01:15 AM)Doc47 Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:26 PM)Freddy Wrote: Why is Yogi Berra's famous bon mot coming to mind about this thread, 'IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN'? Rolleyes
You are my new hero! Then again, anyone who quotes Yogi's gets that status!
Yogi to his barber: "Don't cut my throat, I may want to do that later myself!" Wink

Wasn't he just an amazing character? The beauty of Yogi is that one didn't have to be a baseball fan to appreciate him. Smile

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#13
(03-30-2017, 08:28 PM)KAV Wrote: The internet phenomenon is no more static than  that state of the art old black rotary dial bell telephone.

Side note: One the students in my room was reading a book that mentioned, "Hanging up the phone," and she was confused about what that meant. So I brought in a fancy old rotary phone in a box that sat on the desk of a Hewlett Packard executive at one time in 1982. The first question from the girl playing with it in the pic said, "Wait, you had to carry that box around with you everywhere?!?!"

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#14
With regard to the original question, I think the most approprite Yogi quote is: It's not over 'till it's over.

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#15
Yogi was a genius - in my top 10 Yogi-isms includes "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

Every shaving forum has a thread like "What was your worst purchase of 2016." Numerous polite responses in each forum and a few with varying comments. Many posts are educational.

Forums that contribute educational value, interesting opinions, new ideas, artisan vendors , etc will have a long and useful life.

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#16
(This post was last modified: 03-31-2017, 06:28 AM by Wolf.)
(03-27-2017, 12:03 AM)arogall Wrote: Just joined and just seeing this. I happen to have one. It's very well made, super smooth, I just always end up with weepers!

(03-30-2017, 06:07 PM)KAV Wrote: Another recent post with complaint against forum and vendor practises closed. Yes, it is like going on a date and listening to her talk about the ex boyfriend. But is it a 'dead horse?' We are facing the imminent loss of net neutrality  and ISPs selling our information like a pimp on a street. We
have 'fake news' and 'alternative facts
Not aware of the thread or the forum but let me have a stab at the sequence of events.  1.A person mentions B&M or IB or one of their products. 2. Certain individuals, say A and N hijacking the thread by having a go at certain vendors product or practices. 3. Somebody questions the motives of persons A and N and what they are doing. 4.Person doing the questioning is banned and thread/comments are closed and/or deleted. How did I go?

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#17
This is a very relevant question, and a very common one for shaving forums. As the skill of shaving with an actual razor gets more notice, more sources of information pop up all the time. And the person wishing to get information on shaving has to decide where to get his or her information.

And that leads to the whole dilemma of the shaving forum.

1. How to get new membership
2. How to keep the new membership coming back
3. How to get the new membership, and membership in general actively discussing things.

But alas, the nature of the forums leads to the stagnation issue it is facing. The forums tout themselves as wonderful places to learn new things, and ask questions, and to well interact and encourage everyone to learn, regardless of how long they have been on the forum and regardless of how long they have shaved or just claimed to have shaved with a razor.


Henry Ford had a great slogan for selling cars. "You can have any color you want as long as its black".

The shaving forums have altered that slogan into:

"You may discuss or review any soap you want to provided it is an artisan soap. And please feel free to make any comment you want as long as you repeat what the moderator says in regards to that particular soap so that he or she doesn't need to spend time editing or deleting your post"


That attitude of riding the latest buzzword or trend has really hurt the forums. IN the old days, the first forums were all about the shave itself, not about the cost of the equipment you used to shave yourself. It used to be that a puck of Williams, an old rubberset brush, and a hazed up tech were all you needed to be a participant in shaving. Now participation is all based on what you have to talk about.

A good example is the straight razor place. They are still the same attitude in postings from this year as in their first year of existence. Their attitude is quite simple. Bring a razor and have fun. I have read many threads that were "wife got me a shave ready gold dollar SR or a shavette, how do I use it" and regardless of what it was or how much it cost they would instantly welcome the person and help them get started in using it.




Old threads show that Double edge shaving websites used to be like that. But looking through the threads as the fads and buzzwords came along it all changed. Cost, brand name, material became the whole thing. The following is the only way to illustrate that point is with the story of a person I used to chat with on a forum. I cannot remember the persons name or the forum name so don't ask. I only remember the story because of how the young man was treated.

In his first post he told how he had been at grandmas house. And had felt he needed a shave. He was the classic 15 year old Captain Peach Fuzz. Not much to shave off, but he needed to replace the head on his cartridge razor. SO he went digging under the sink because he remembered he had put a package of replacement heads in there for some reason. In his spelunking he found a small shoe box labeled simply "shaving stuff".

He found some old shaving mug, some random pucks of shaving soap, a couple of old brushes. And he found what turned out to be his grandfathers razors. One was a Gillette contract tech he had carried ashore at iwo jima. The other was a early 60s tech. He went on to tell how excited he was to shave with something his grandpa had, because he had lost his grand father at maybe age 5 and all he had were really good memories.

He made all of this as part of his first post on that forum. The issue is, the wonderful knowledgeable people on that forum instantly peed on his parade by telling him that he had two worthless razors, that were only good enough to use until he could put a blade into them without cutting himself. Or that once he could shave with them against the grain, they were no longer good to use or even have around.

And when he achieved those two goals, he had to go purchase a new razor preferably in the 60-70 dollar range otherwise it would be worthless to have. This even came from people who used a merkur barber pole for their daily shave pics.



I know a few folks here would be appalled that I would recount that story, but it illustrates whats wrong with the forums these days. And that is what makes the forums rather useless seeming. Now and in the future.


"when all that counts is cost and glitter, substance and that which actually matters will disappear."
#18

Member
Indianapolis Indiana
(03-31-2017, 01:15 AM)Doc47 Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:26 PM)Freddy Wrote: Why is Yogi Berra's famous bon mot coming to mind about this thread, 'IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN'? Rolleyes
You are my new hero! Then again, anyone who quotes Yogi's gets that status!
Yogi to his barber: "Don't cut my throat, I may want to do that later myself!" Wink

Once when a woman asked him to give her a yogaism on the spot he replied

"lady if I could do that I'd be famous"

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When I die, I want to go like Gramps, quiet in his sleep - Not screaming like the passengers riding in his car.
#19

Member
Indianapolis Indiana
(03-31-2017, 02:08 AM)Standard Wrote: Yogi was a genius - in my top 10 Yogi-isms includes  "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

Every shaving forum has a thread like  "What was your worst purchase of 2016."  Numerous polite responses in each forum and a few with varying comments.  Many posts are  educational.

Forums that contribute educational value, interesting opinions, new ideas, artisan vendors , etc will have a long and useful life.

"This place is so famous, no one comes here any more" YB

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When I die, I want to go like Gramps, quiet in his sleep - Not screaming like the passengers riding in his car.
#20

Member
Woodstock, VT
"when all that counts is cost and glitter, substance and that which actually matters will disappear."

Thus the problem with a vendor owned forum and the daily SOTD posts including that glitter from member moderators who only have a few years themselves at most under their belt pimping that vendors wares.

Not really welcoming to a new kid who just wants a good shave.

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