Do you get irritated when.....

KAV must be that guy from those Dos Equis commercials, only clean shaven of course.

I guess I'm an odd one then, because most of mine do.

Zippered pants go with dress clothes and jeans. Jeans are still in fashion. dress clothes are not. First it was Casual Friday. Now is Casual every day. And tomorrow no one goes to work because they all telecommute. No one wears a watch except as jewelry. Clocks are everywhere and everyone has a phone. Dress shoes have been replaced with Rockports (something with a rubber sole, not leather), sneakers, moccasins, etc.

This discussion is like its 1955. Times have changed. And beards? The grubby look is in. Its everywhere. Just watch any TV show. Its a fashion statement. https://www.thestreet.com/story/13238672...iness.html


Beards are back in vogue, and that trend plus declining shaving by women are putting a big dent in Procter & Gamble's  (PG) lucrative grooming business.  

Look https://www.jeanlouisdavid.us/article/me...rd_a3138/1

Beards are most certainly back. With no need to leave it to grow for months at a time, the 3-day beard also does the trick.

This is real life. Just look around. Its fashion.

3 out of 4 High school students cannot read a analog clock

 Who cares?  I can't remember how to program a VCR now nor would I want to. Time moves on. Out with the old, in with the new. Knowing how to read an analog clock is meaningless. Even gauges in cars are now digital. We live in a digital world. I think maybe, with respect,  you need to just look around.

Life has moved on.

and I wont mention cursive writing.

Again, sorry, but who cares? People don't even "write" their own signature anymore, its partly printed.

 But my great grandmother said she could size up a man's character by his shoes and watch.

Then  your great grandmother would not survive - with respect - in 2017.

Cursive handwriting has been demonstrated as one of those early skills that help develop a young mind's hardwiring. It was only, and still not universal, in the last 100 odd years internal combustion transport supplanted horses and other livestock as  mankind's transport and battleweapon. Mechanical watches are looked upon as mere jewelry or affectation. Yet when the Apollo Mission's computers  malfunctioned a critical burn time was accomplished with a Chronometer on astronaut's wrist. There are caves with vivid paintings of a lost world, illuminated texts and the journals of Lewis and Clark. I still have my girl's ephemeral preserved in a chinese camphor chest. It is not that I dislike or wholly distrust the digital phenomenon. But the mortality of non archived websites, hacking, solar flares and this whole disconnect from the real world via texting,sexting, tweeting can be swept away like a  fly focused on food. I always think of Obi Won giving Luke the light saber; a weapon from a more elegant age. I have a russian Shaska, and get it.

You just changed the subject to "will digital data" survive time. And yes, it most surely will. While its true that data has moved from tape to CDs to DVDs to thumb drives, etc. Of course scientists know this is an issue. What is mankind to do, build huge Pyramids in rock to survive? Sorry, time moves on. See http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/03/stori...45557.html


Go look at some old photos. Notice they are fading away. In time, there will be no data on those analog photos.

You can read the article  yourself but of course scientists are working on preserving digital data. Don't worry about. There are a lot of smart people out there working on this.

I think perhaps, with respect, your living a bit in the past and need to move on.  No one cares what shoes you wear, if your pants have zippers, or if you shaved this morning. It might be nostalgic but so aren't Ice Cream Trucks, the milkman, and analog TV.

How cynical and ironic, grim, inasmuch as it comes from you as a member of a traditional wet shaving site.  

Frankly, this thread seems to have collapsed into posts of bludgeoning to death any opinion that isn't the individual poster's and I find that sad.  The believer in cursive writing, the wearer of a wristwatch as a practical item, as well as a fashion statement, etc. all have valid reasons and do care, every bit as much as you, and others, don't.

I guess I'm an odd one then, because most of mine do.

Zippered pants go with dress clothes and jeans. Jeans are still in fashion. dress clothes are not. First it was Casual Friday. Now is Casual every day. And tomorrow no one goes to work because they all telecommute. No one wears a watch except as jewelry. Clocks are everywhere and everyone has a phone. Dress shoes have been replaced with Rockports (something with a rubber sole, not leather), sneakers, moccasins, etc.

This discussion is like its 1955. Times have changed. And beards? The grubby look is in. Its everywhere. Just watch any TV show. Its a fashion statement. https://www.thestreet.com/story/13238672...iness.html


Beards are back in vogue, and that trend plus declining shaving by women are putting a big dent in Procter & Gamble's  (PG) lucrative grooming business.  

Look https://www.jeanlouisdavid.us/article/me...rd_a3138/1

Beards are most certainly back. With no need to leave it to grow for months at a time, the 3-day beard also does the trick.

This is real life. Just look around. Its fashion.

3 out of 4 High school students cannot read a analog clock

 Who cares?  I can't remember how to program a VCR now nor would I want to. Time moves on. Out with the old, in with the new. Knowing how to read an analog clock is meaningless. Even gauges in cars are now digital. We live in a digital world. I think maybe, with respect,  you need to just look around.

Life has moved on.

and I wont mention cursive writing.

Again, sorry, but who cares? People don't even "write" their own signature anymore, its partly printed.

 But my great grandmother said she could size up a man's character by his shoes and watch.

Then  your great grandmother would not survive - with respect - in 2017.

Cursive handwriting has been demonstrated as one of those early skills that help develop a young mind's hardwiring. It was only, and still not universal, in the last 100 odd years internal combustion transport supplanted horses and other livestock as  mankind's transport and battleweapon. Mechanical watches are looked upon as mere jewelry or affectation. Yet when the Apollo Mission's computers  malfunctioned a critical burn time was accomplished with a Chronometer on astronaut's wrist. There are caves with vivid paintings of a lost world, illuminated texts and the journals of Lewis and Clark. I still have my girl's ephemeral preserved in a chinese camphor chest. It is not that I dislike or wholly distrust the digital phenomenon. But the mortality of non archived websites, hacking, solar flares and this whole disconnect from the real world via texting,sexting, tweeting can be swept away like a  fly focused on food. I always think of Obi Won giving Luke the light saber; a weapon from a more elegant age. I have a russian Shaska, and get it.

You just changed the subject to "will digital data" survive time. And yes, it most surely will. While its true that data has moved from tape to CDs to DVDs to thumb drives, etc. Of course scientists know this is an issue. What is mankind to do, build huge Pyramids in rock to survive? Sorry, time moves on. See http://www.newsweek.com/2015/07/03/stori...45557.html


Go look at some old photos. Notice they are fading away. In time, there will be no data on those analog photos.

You can read the article  yourself but of course scientists are working on preserving digital data. Don't worry about. There are a lot of smart people out there working on this.

I think perhaps, with respect, your living a bit in the past and need to move on.  No one cares what shoes you wear, if your pants have zippers, or if you shaved this morning. It might be nostalgic but so aren't Ice Cream Trucks, the milkman, and analog TV.

How cynical and ironic, grim, inasmuch as it comes from you as a member of a traditional wet shaving site.  

Frankly, this thread seems to have collapsed into posts of bludgeoning to death any opinion that isn't the individual poster's and I find that sad.  The believer in cursive writing, the wearer of a wristwatch as a practical item, as well as a fashion statement, etc. all have valid reasons and do care, every bit as much as you, and others, don't.

Amen brother. I wear an analog watch, write letters in cursive and shave with a "old fashioned" DE razor. That may make me a dinosaur to some of you, but ask me if I care? I also teach singers how to sing the way they did back when Caruso was singing and some of them have made it to the Metropolitan Opera. Not everything new is better; as a matter of fact, my wife's late grandmother had a saying that is, IMO, still apropos today: "Things were better when they were worse".

I enjoying surfing the web and participating in our modern world, but I still do not have a cell-phone and I greatly enjoying writing in cursive. I value many things and acknowledge everything since learning and appreciation is endless and unlimited.
Wheels are quite ancient, but still so very practical.

Bravo to the last three posts! BTW, all of my pants have a zipper and I wear a watch to tell time, not as apiece of "jewelry". I guess I'm behind the times and I'm only 37...oh well.

Bravo to the last three posts! BTW, all of my pants have a zipper and I wear a watch to tell time, not as apiece of "jewelry". I guess I'm behind the times and I'm only 37...oh well.

You're not behind the times my friend. Not by my standards anyway...

There is room to appreciate both old and new alike. Analogue and digital both still have a place in polite society, even if that place is one of nostalgic reverence.

I own a laptop and digital camera, an iPhone and microwave. I enjoy my 1080p HD TV(already outdated and less than 10 years old) with streaming Netflix and YouTube. I like my motorcycle with 4 cylinder inline engine, fuel injection, ABS, heated handgrips and electronic cruise control.

I also enjoy drawing on paper with a pencil, writing short stories in cursive, fiddling with the idle screw and throttle adjustments on an old Shovelhead, controlling a rear-tire slide on a 250cc dirtbike, and I sometimes crave the smell of Dektol while peeling the dead skin from my fingertips after a day in the darkroom.

There is room to appreciate a big beard, a 3-day scruff, and a well-groomed, cleanly shaved appearance. There is room for waistcoats and dress pants, jeans and t-shirts, sneakers and leather-soled shoes. There is appreciation for retro-styles, modernism, post-modernism, and "don't know squat about fashion"-ism.

Why is it important to know how to read an analogue watch and drive a manual transmission? Simple, in my opinion: understanding how to use analogue products helps an individual understand more intimately how that product or machine functions. Knowing how these things works gives us better control over them. There is also the preparation for the unknown. Remember the Y2K scare? Just because it didn;t happen when and where we were all warned about does not mean a collapse of the digital system cannot happen. Especially in this age with groups like Anonymous and WikiLeaks, some actively working for good, some actively working towards the detriment of society.

I still throw hand-tied fishing flies in slow moving streams, but I take pictures with my iPhone. I can guesstimate the time of day by the position of the sun, but still keep my cellphone close at hand. I can navigate my local backcountry by sun and mountain positions, but I carry a GPS...just in case...

My daughter was required, by me, to learn how to tell time via an analogue clock. She will be required to know how to drive a manual transmission before she is allowed to drive an automatic. She enjoys her digital entertainment, but drawing on paper with pencil, writing short stories in cursive(yes, she is required by me to write in cursive), and reading books with pages to be turned rank in top spots as well. It's a balance.

This topic got out of hand. I accept responsibility for my part in that. Let's move past the petty squabbles and get back to shaving and respecting each other's opinions...

How cynical and ironic, grim, inasmuch as it comes from you as a member of a traditional wet shaving site.  

My point is simple. Adapt or die. We can choose to live in the past or move on.

If the OP's grandma was using her criteria to judge a man, then she wouldn't survive today.

Watches are dead. Just look around. Find out how many actually wear them

Try to buy a MT car. Within a decade, they will not be sold except in rare cases. Some car brands no longer sell MT

"In general", no one writes anything anymore. This is real life, not nostalgia. Many people don't even know what a check is never mind how to write one.

We can put our heads in the sand, and live in the past, or we can adapt and move on. Everyone chooses the path they take

The world has changed and will continue to change..

How cynical and ironic, grim, inasmuch as it comes from you as a member of a traditional wet shaving site.  

My point is simple. Adapt or die. We can choose to live in the past or move on.

If the OP's grandma was using her criteria to judge a man, then she wouldn't survive today.

Watches are dead. Just look around. Find out how many actually wear them

Try to buy a MT car. Within a decade, they will not be sold except in rare cases. Some car brands no longer sell MT.

We can put our heads in the sand, and live in the past, or we can adapt and move on. Everyone chooses the path they take.

Why can we not adapt to changing times, while retaining respect and appreciation for what led us here?

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to see the whole picture...both sides of the equation../

Why can we not adapt to changing times, while retaining respect and appreciation for what led us here?

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to see the whole picture...both sides of the equation../

I got no issue with that. Sure, respect the past. But in the meantime, you figure out how to read a digital clock or you don't adapt because there will be no analog clocks nor analog gauges in cars. Living as a Ludditte won't get you very far as technology keeps moving forward.

Its a two way street. The older folks need to respect how the young folks have no history nor care about analog or old tech.