#4,871

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
Saturday May 4, 2024
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#4,872
Just following up on the conundrum you mentioned in the video. It presents a real dilemma in balancing out free market principles with an ethos or code of conduct you might hope for in a community like DFS. I have to admit I am bringing a bias with the specific re-lister in this situation. Some time ago, this individual made what I consider a highly inappropriate and corrosive statement on another member's BST listing, without any apparent interaction or history with that seller. I used the Report option to flag that comment, and many others verbalized their distaste for his statement at that time. I was disappointed that his post was allowed to remain on the BST listing thread for quite some time. Although I just went back to find that listing, and I see the comment was removed, along with the other comments associated with it.

At the moment of reading his earlier negative comment, I knew that I would never purchase from, or sell an item to, that individual. If he was willing to say something like that, in that part of the forum, I would not trust him to be honest or fair on either side of a BST transaction in the future. The reason I bring up all of this history is that "social proof" is the best way to highlight activities that might run counter to the culture or spirit of a platform like DFS. One of the first things I do is review historical posts from members I have never purchased or sold to (depending on the related BST). And I don't just use the buyer feedback. And in one instance, I declined to engage on a BST listing based on that search.

But not everyone has the time for that or will stumble upon every interaction. I do wonder if another approach for this specific situation could be helpful. Could there be a forum guideline that requires the individual to disclose if the item was purchased from an earlier listing, the associated price from that, and link to the listing? I also think it would be reasonable to place a time window on that, only requiring if it was purchased within the previous Y days. And while that is relying on self reporting, there is now some forum guideline to lean on if others note a seller did not disclose the history of the item (and they can now send a note to a moderator or in the listing itself). And it would also allow those considering a purchase whether it was reasonable, in their minds, given a price markup. To me this strikes a balance between allowing two individuals to complete a transaction if they choose to, but allow others to see if this person has a history of flipping. And in turn, members could choose not to sell to, or purchase from, that person, based on their own moral compass.

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#4,873

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2024, 09:43 PM by Dave in KY. Edited 1 time in total.)
Nice thoughts Dave rocket I know of 1 forum but forget which that did require you to state where you got it and for how much but again can't remember which one it was. That's a step perhaps in the right direction for transparency and I agree that there should be a time frame on it. This one was obviously the moment it hit the person's door and without trying the multiple items at all. Your history shows that while you were aware of the individual I and many others weren't. Like you said who has the time to do a thorough research on an individual like that. The whole thing is unfortunate for all respectable members and moderators. Thanks for your input.

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#4,874
We are so familiar with the phrase "caveat emptor," "buyer beware." This issue reminds us that it is wise for "seller beware" of the buyer. All that to say, it would be quite difficult, if not impossible, to establish rules that are unambiguous, fair, and enforceable after a BST sale. Unless there was fraud in the sale, once the transaction is complete, the buyer is free to use or move an item.

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#4,875

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2024, 11:38 AM by Dave in KY. Edited 1 time in total.)
(05-04-2024, 09:49 PM)ewk Wrote: We are so familiar with the phrase "caveat emptor," "buyer beware." This issue reminds us that it is wise for "seller beware" of the buyer. All that to say, it would be quite difficult, if not impossible, to establish rules that are unambiguous, fair, and enforceable after a BST sale. Unless there was fraud in the sale, once the transaction is complete, the buyer is free to use or move an item.

If you look at the person in questions profile and his posts, you see they are ALL in the BST to buy and then sell. That's all. He's here as merely a business. Some forums require you to be an active member (actually being involved at least somewhere on a semi regular basis besides just the BST). If someone buys to use and finds it isn't for them, they should do as they want. But when people buy everything they see before others, with the intention to inflate the price and resell to those the original seller intended it to be a gentlemanly deal for a forum member and shows that pattern over and over, I think the cancer should be cut away. Just my feelings. Otherwise the forum itself and benefit of it is diminished in my eyes for actual contributing members. Just my opinion.

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#4,876
One adjustment to my earlier post, the comment I mentioned is still in place, although in BST archives now. I had mis-remembered the razor maker in my earlier search. It was also for a WTB listing. Upon further reflection, maybe that is a good thing for all to judge for themselves, as to whether it is an acceptable post on a WTB listing, by a fellow forum member: https://damnfineshave.com/thread-closed-...#pid533881

While I understand politically and socially charged events will surface strong reactions, it is difficult to see how an individual razor brand or member should be attributed to those reactions.

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#4,877

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2024, 11:39 AM by Dave in KY. Edited 1 time in total.)
(05-05-2024, 03:32 AM)rocket Wrote: One adjustment to my earlier post, the comment I mentioned is still in place, although in BST archives now. I had mis-remembered the razor maker in my earlier search. It was also for a WTB listing. Upon further reflection, maybe that is a good thing for all to judge for themselves, as to whether it is an acceptable post on a WTB listing, by a fellow forum member: https://damnfineshave.com/thread-closed-...#pid533881

While I understand politically and socially charged events will surface strong reactions, it is difficult to see how an individual razor brand or member should be attributed to those reactions.
Wow...... just wow. All I can figure is he had a vendetta perhaps because he wouldn't sell to him and did it to sabotage the sale but that is crazy.....

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#4,878

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
Sunday May 5, 2024
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#4,879

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The more I read this the more I realize some of us may be in the minority of the BST.  

I wish the search function on BST Archives worked better for me.  It is probably fine and I’m doing something wrong but I do find it hard to locate some of the previous sales.

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#4,880

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(05-05-2024, 11:43 AM)dtownvino Wrote: The more I read this the more I realize some of us may be in the minority of the BST.  

I wish the search function on BST Archives worked better for me.  It is probably fine and I’m doing something wrong but I do find it hard to locate some of the previous sales.

Mike, I'm dense sometimes. What do you mean "in the minority" ?
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