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Folks:

I wondered if anyone here has used the Bullgoose offered atomizer bottles for 3 bucks and did they work will with your favorite aftershave(s) or other items like oils, glycerine, usw.?

I don't notice such a review here on the DFS forum, so thought I would ask the general question (of many to come!)

Pic for quick look and Poll for quick answer minimal reply needed. Mostly I want to use it for aftershave and checking any caveats of various use.

Thanks much,

-p

   

I haven't tried them, Phil. They might come in handy for travel, though.

It's your basic mist bottle. I've not used "his" but they are similar (if not exact) to others I have bought and used.

This is a supplier I have used MANY times,

This 4 oz bottle is .39 cents
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=256

This is a 2 oz bottle that is .39 cents
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=255

Both bottles are blue but there are other colors.

Use it with this mister, depending on which color you prefer they are both .33 cents
in black http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=13
in white http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=11

I checked first class shipping to my zip code, and first class shipping is $2.64 for a sprayer and a mister top. So for 1 bottle and mister your talking a total of about $3.36 If you order more than one they will be less because your saving on shipping.

But I don't think it will work well with glycerin because glycerin is so thick. I know they don't work well with straight oils, I've tried. But they do work well for aftershaves because my (now) 10 year old son LOVES to wear clubman and other aftershave/colognes. So I put them into spray bottles such as what your showing to make it easier for him to apply them. Come to think of it, the site I gave the same site where I got mine to put his colognes in.

But this little pump called a treatment pump would work for both glycerin and oils. They are .60 cents each.
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=511

I also use that type of mister but a bigger bottle to put a spray that I make that's a hair-de-tangler for my daughter. She loves her hair stuff smelling like strawberries....... So they have plenty of uses, but the liquid inside needs to be the right consistency for them to work.

I hope that helps to answer your questions


editing to add here is a 2 oz bottle with sprayer set for .59 cents and your color choice
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=658

Sorry, I haven't used the ones Phil sells.
They're a bit pricey though !
The ones I use I bought on line from ebay.

Thanks Krissy,

I was getting them mostly b/c I like to make sure I am buying from reputable people and Phil has been straight up with me and helped a bit. something I have noticed internet buying like the Amazon's of the world, they just don't really do customer services like read your communicated emails, work with you on returns, and willing to strike a deal for consumption of larger purchases and not always try to hook every cent from you.

Also, I get to use this forum offered and contact people like yourself. There is a fee/price to be able to do all this, I know since I work IT. It's a noticeable amount of sunk cost for a small(er) biz as the bigbox places like Target and such want to charge you about the same price b/c they took the shipping hit and still need to pay their lights and insurance and keep the heat on, not to mention pay for the use of a warehouse in the least.

So, like you said, we pay about the same price from Phil or your websites, they are just re-couping their costs. And Phil @ BullGoose made a good trade when I did not want every thing in his bundled blades, he made substitutes. I was just at WallyWorld and they had plain ol' Wilkinson Sword DE for 5.97 for 10, or 60 cents each. Outrageous, when compared to how Bill does it. I am sure there are other vendors out there with the same service oriented biz and that's great.

For me, it's been all about being able to fix a problem I have had all my life: Shaving and being able to shave regularly. I don't want the 'grunge' look, it's just - dirty. I am a clean-cut kinda guy and that's the personna (pun) I want to put out, b/c in my biz there is very little tolerance for BS, it's almost like being a doctor w/o medical schooling and licensure, but even that's starting to change. I just mean if you pay somebody a professional wage, you don't want them looking like a bum. And b/c we are such a strange society and visually oriented, it just makes sense to have good personal hygeine (sp?).

Long-winded for a few bottles, but just wanted folks to know we can spend all our time chasing down 2 bucks savings for two hours on the internet. My time is worth more to me. A lot more.

But really thank you for the bottles info. I only needed two, but might use more since I have limited space in the medicine cabinet and want small bottles of the items I need to use, readily available. I cannot have my 8-10 A/S-Kolns and now with your tip the glycerine and such all in the med cabinet. It just won't fit with all the meds and such since I am not 22 yrs.old.

Appreciate you getting back to me. Any luck with use of the glycerine for shaving? I see why everyone says it could gum-up the shave area. But as I mentioned in an earlier post, the Glycerine is HOH solute and can be diluted with plain water to a better viscosity. I will give it a try eventually, I am still working out the quirks. Hence the big blade buy today of almost all options Phil has, less the Wilkinson flavors for no particular reason except I don't feel any affinity towards them and I like the ones I have already, all 15-20 variances should last me a year and if I cannot find it there, I can go the Wilkinson route.

Have a great eve and thanks for the multi-comm today.

-p

(08-10-2011 05:18 PM)Krissy Wrote:  It's your basic mist bottle. I've not used "his" but they are similar (if not exact) to others I have bought and used.

This is a supplier I have used MANY times,

This 4 oz bottle is .39 cents
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=256

This is a 2 oz bottle that is .39 cents
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=255

Both bottles are blue but there are other colors.

Use it with this mister, depending on which color you prefer they are both .33 cents
in black http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=13
in white http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?p=product&id=11

I checked first class shipping to my zip code, and first class shipping is $2.64 for a sprayer and a mister top. So for 1 bottle and mister your talking a total of about $3.36 If you order more than one they will be less because your saving on shipping.

But I don't think it will work well with glycerin because glycerin is so thick. I know they don't work well with straight oils, I've tried. But they do work well for aftershaves because my (now) 10 year old son LOVES to wear clubman and other aftershave/colognes. So I put them into spray bottles such as what your showing to make it easier for him to apply them. Come to think of it, the site I gave the same site where I got mine to put his colognes in.

But this little pump called a treatment pump would work for both glycerin and oils. They are .60 cents each.
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=511

I also use that type of mister but a bigger bottle to put a spray that I make that's a hair-de-tangler for my daughter. She loves her hair stuff smelling like strawberries....... So they have plenty of uses, but the liquid inside needs to be the right consistency for them to work.

I hope that helps to answer your questions


editing to add here is a 2 oz bottle with sprayer set for .59 cents and your color choice
http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php?...uct&id=658

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Tkx Freddy. I will let you know what I do and how it works. Krissy added a supplier for dirt cheap on these, but I dunno if they are glass or plastic or what. I really prefer the glass ones and I know they are truly cleanable and just have a better weight/feel. Reminds me of those campho-pheque bottles of yester-year.
Will send you a feedback in a couple days when they get here.

it's the same deal as anywhere - either they get you on the bottle or get you on the shipping. They all still have the same basic cost-structure working off the Total Revenue Theorum. It's just the bigbox and amazon's get the price breaks on the buy in and shipping, but it's not that they pass that along to us - they just buy a bigger house, boat, yacht, fancy clothes, etc. I cannot really fault them as most everyone else does it and we would too if we got the chance. I mean how many of us would say, nay, give me a 100k buck raise next year - no, I don't need that. You keep your money boss! It's just not the way we do things in a capitalist society. We all know it, just most of us don't put fancy words to the ideas and give it a label to define what these things are.

Anyway, glad you gave me some input and will let you know what I think about Phils bottles. Seems he would want to push at least few more out the door, but he prolly does it just to have it handy so you don't have to go to another vendor. at least that's my take on it. I need him to have a few bones to pay for his IT people, like me. So there we have it.

Best,

-p

(08-10-2011 04:55 PM)freddy Wrote:  I haven't tried them, Phil. They might come in handy for travel, though.

Phil on my phone right now but will read your post clearer once I get back to my laptop. Don't laugh I'm reading the forum while in bed. But I felt this was important and couldn't wait. DON'T mix the glycerin with water thuinking that it will work. Well it will but the down side is anything with water added needs to have a preservative (chemical) added for your own safety. If you don't then bacteria, yeast and mold and who knows what else can/will grow. Many times its there but can't be seen with the naked eye until its way out of control. That isn't something you want to put on your skin. I know a lot of guys water stuff down, but really its not safe to do that. If you don't see a problem with a product watered down then chances are the maker added a little extra preservative to compensate. But not all companies do that. Just my safety police hat coming out to play for a little bit. Off my soap box nowa.

Hey Andy,

Here is the URL that Krissy offered for best pricing she found. They will have to make it up in shipping, and not sure if they are the same bottles or quality. http://www.midwestbottles.com/index.php .
I really want glass, not plastic ones for home use. I only needed a couple for now. Once I get my bathroom reworked will see what other little items I gotta have to keep my sanity.

I happen to be a guy that has a lot of personal hygiene items due to Diabetes. I need all kinds of meds, and Rx cremes for my feet and such. It's also been a sticking point with doing this DE shaving even, since diabetes tends to slow healing. So my nick and your nick are not the same thing. I did get the razorock stick Alum bar for that.

I plan to try someone's helper idea bout putting it in the freezer for a nice cool down after the last cool wash and last pass just prior. Give that a go and let me know what you think. Mr. Ham seems to like it, and there is the antiseptic quality of the Alum bar to keep the face clean and healthy. Depending on the person's job, that can be a big deal, e.g., construction, lawn care, etc. I mean, really almost everyone shaves sometime.

Anyway, it's a bit more personal info that you needed but just wanted to let you know that there's a reason for all this hem-and-hawing about price and what we get and will it work and such. I cannot just be spending a lot of money b/c I got medical bills and lots of co-pays and meds and such. It sure sux this early in life, but I am glad to be on the planet and not in it.

Gotta go. Lots to do tonight and tomorrow's another big day - job interview -unsuspected phone call late afternoon and meet up tomorrow with a Xerox sublet doing IT work. Will see how it goes. Tomorrow is aptitude test so not worried about that. More concerned with how they handle my Diabetes and work needs - that's always the issue b/c I got some med issues.

Anyway, thanks for all your help over the past few weeks sorting this all out. I think I am on the path to riteousness re: DE Shaving. It's not just a matter of finding the right tools and practice and hope my face is not mush by the end of it all. Thus, all the needs for frugal, quality spending and minimize any injury. That's what it's been about all along.

laterz,

-p

(08-10-2011 10:41 PM)Andsomebodyspoke Wrote:  Sorry, I haven't used the ones Phil sells.
They're a bit pricey though !
The ones I use I bought on line from ebay.

Sorry Phil, I tend to think plastic because of the safety factor of slipping and broken glass in the bathroom. Most other companies that I use and use that also sell glass bottles sell in multiples so that wouldn't be very cost effective for you. Unless you want 50 of them.

I've not ordered from this company personally, but many of my friends have. But I have to confess she does have some neat things so someday I will take the plunge. But here is a 1 oz serum bottle as she calls it. But it has the small treatment style pump top. The bottle and cap is .60 cents each and I added 5 to my cart and shipping was a little over $5.
https://www.soapandthings.com/p-2455-1-o...tions.aspx
Here is a 1.66 oz glass bottle with a sprayer for .68 cents (plus shipping) each,
https://www.soapandthings.com/p-2490-166...rayer.aspx

I'm not sure how big Phil H bottles are so it's up to you, but there are always options when you know where to look.

As a side note I don't know how much the VHD brushes are, but I believe these are similar for anyone else interested. They are $7.25 each, unless you want to order 10 of them, then they are cheaper. They come in ivory and navy.
https://www.soapandthings.com/p-1990-boa...ivory.aspx
https://www.soapandthings.com/p-2496-boa...-blue.aspx


I know all about the high cost of Rx medications. Out of a family of five, there are three of us who take scrips daily. But my son's ADHD/anxiety is the most costly since he can't take generic meds.

Right on. Yeah, I see the bio-chem aspect. I think it's that we have two themes running here: glycerine and A/S bottles.

1. I initially wanted the little bottles to transfer A/S's to the face and my more expensive and now a few years old but great quality Cologne's i have. With both I don't really like to dump some in hand/s and slather about the face and neck. I like the control a spritzer/atomizer offers. I wanted to try out the little bottles and expect glass as that is what I expected only b/c that's what I have seen as dropper bottles.

2. I wanted the glycerine based on the Leisureguy book stating how that could work as well as the much more expensive Skin/Face Food. I don't need that part of the shave to be all fragrant, since I have that with my fine soaps on the pre-shave face-wash. And I don't like to blend the fragrances if I can avoid it. First we face-wash with Lime flavor soap, then put on Sandalwood flavor Skin Food, then we put on Aloe and Green Tea Pre-shave; then Menthol Proraso Creme, then etc... eventually I smell like every personal hygeine product's flavor on the planet. Ick.

So, that's the long answer to the short question of not mixing the water with the glycerine and sticking it in a bottle to spritz. Not going to happen. I meant to put on the glycerine with a bit of water from the sink as a pre-shave, so not going on full strength to gunk up the shave. Not gonna help matters to put glue on the face. But I did notice that the glycerine dampened with the water between the fingers was pretty slick-feeling, so I plan to try that on a safe-shave place on my face for just the starting WTG Pass on the cheek - flat, smooth, easy to shave with no known issues ever. A safe shaving place, just to reiterate what that is.

Yeah, absolutely true about not being able to see micro-bacterium. If we could, no one would ever get food-poisoning b/c we would see these nasty buggers and avoid them. Thanks for the tip and reminder.

I don't think that glycerine is prone to bacterium, but I don't know it's origin is the problem. So I get 100% glycerine. Where did that come from, (rhetorically speaking)? I mean, if it is water-based, I tend to think Organic - and definitely potential for infestation of organisms. So, I don't know what preservative you have in mind, but it's not worth a lot yet to me to find out what that is just yet. Probably this is why so many of these products have Alcohol SD-40 in them. Alcohol is deadly to most bacterium, as well it's used to kill the nerves and put into A/S for that reason. That's why it stings when we put it on the face, but stops once the cells on the nerve's ends dry. Then they have to regrow and we cut them again and put on the A/S again, etc...ad infinitum. No. Not working for me. This is one of the reasons I try to use a balm/lotion w/o Alcohol in it.

That's why I invested into the Alum bar. It's not a killer, it's an antiseptic. Sepsis is a whole other thing and that's a problem. A few bacterium on the face are ubiquitous and nothing to worry about with keeping those removed with proper washing and we do that by showers and such. Sepsis is when we have harmful bacterium invade/infect us to the point it is harmful to the skin. I Do want to avoid that.

Hop on the soap-box anytime. No one ever need suffer unwanted injury, so it does not bother me. Hope my info does not come off that way. I just put info out there I know about; and if someone wants to comment/verify, that's great. All this is about communication and that's why there is this DFS community - to help people out. So when I see a bottle for 3 bucks at BullGoose, I remember that he gives me this forum too. And Phil there needs to eat just as much as the people of Amazon, but they are just selling things and not helping things. Big difference, me thinks.

Best and appreciate your candor.

-p


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(08-10-2011 11:46 PM)Krissy Wrote:  Phil on my phone right now but will read your post clearer once I get back to my laptop. Don't laugh I'm reading the forum while in bed. But I felt this was important and couldn't wait. DON'T mix the glycerin with water thuinking that it will work. Well it will but the down side is anything with water added needs to have a preservative (chemical) added for your own safety. If you don't then bacteria, yeast and mold and who knows what else can/will grow. Many times its there but can't be seen with the naked eye until its way out of control. That isn't something you want to put on your skin. I know a lot of guys water stuff down, but really its not safe to do that. If you don't see a problem with a product watered down then chances are the maker added a little extra preservative to compensate. But not all companies do that. Just my safety police hat coming out to play for a little bit. Off my soap box nowa.

Great for spritzing bay rum or Superior 70 Mentolado on muggy summer days.

Thanks there, Mr. MemoryLeak...

I have the Bay Rum sample and that prompted me to looking into a way to spritz/atomize the somewhat viscous solution.

See, I want to be able to just use a bit of these finer fragrances since they tend to be fairly expensive. I don't want to dab it on my hands, move to my face, wipe my hands on my wrists; only to go to the bathroom some one-hour later and wash off all the lovely odors and replace them with whatever inexpensive soaps with some strange fragrance that clashes with the Bay Rum/Sandalwood I am using that day.

I do find it impractical to carry too much of the personal hygeine items, so I have to make "sacrificial lambs" somewhere, in order to complete the higher purposes of superior personal hygeine.

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I have not yet tried the Superior 70 Mentolado, on muggy or not-so-muggy days. I might try it out before long, as my other A/S'es seem to foot the lion's share of my A/S needs at the moment. Thanks for these tips though any replying to my post, as I try to navigate though these uncharted DE Shaving waters.

-p



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(08-11-2011 11:58 PM)m3m0ryleak Wrote:  Great for spritzing bay rum or Superior 70 Mentolado on muggy summer days.

Quote:Texas Phil: I really prefer the glass ones and I know they are truly cleanable and just have a better weight/feel.

Phil I would NOT recommend washing and reusing these glass bottles. Depending on what you put into them. The reason is you can not clean them out properly to sanitize them because the (mouth) opening is too small to get inside to really clean properly. Depending on the contents it might be more of a bacteria/mold breeding ground than anyone wants. If you are just using them for colognes then you could wash out, but some scent might linger from the previous scent. But make sure the inside is good and dry before refilling. Jars and whatnot that you can wash properly are perfectly fine to wash and reuse. This is a safety thing that I stress on my soap board to members. I have had members say they have attempted to wash and reuse bottles only to have mold grow in the new product that was put inside.

Glycerin does not need a preservative because it's water soluble rather than having water added to it. There is a difference. So putting your glycerin into a small bottle that you can pour it out would be a good choice. Then mixing a little water with it when your going to use it. You might want to consider another bottle option than one with a sprayer for glycerin.

Water based has nothing to do with organic. Organic means that there are no chemicals used in the production of the plant crop grown and used in the making of a certain ingredient. Many of the chemicals used in farming are used to keep the plant healthier by keeping disease out of the field and to increase production as well as to keep bugs and other critters away from the plant if at all possible depending on the crop grown. My dad and brother farm and my hubby works for a grain elevator that also handles farm chemicals so this is supper table talk around our place. So IMHO organic does not always mean better because there are really good reasons for using farm chemicals. Also chemicals farm or cosmetic does not always mean they are bad, I can think of plenty of them I would rather use than have the other option and there are a lot of other cosmetic ingredients that are considered "chemical" that I love dearly. It's a personal choice and I know there are die hard organic/natural believers. I just happen to believe that safety needs to come first sometimes.

Alcohol in higher amounts IS a preservative which is why it's also used in aftershaves, colognes and EdT. If you use alcohol as a preservative it needs to be denatured alcohol, everclear grain alcohol or perfumers alcohol at the rate of 10%-30% depending on the source or more for safety. I wouldn't recommend it. Rubbing alcohol found in the drug store first aid isle won't work for this application. But the down side is that it's also drying to the skin because the alcohol strips the natural oils off the skin at those rates and you will feel a burning sensation if you have any cuts or nicks.

Hey, thanks for the detailed reply. Glad to see someone has my tenacious writing style and go ahead to at least try to explain a few things.

I still only wish to put the same A/S and Colognes that have, but have them as a spritzer so I don't waste expensive Colognes by washing them off my hands. A couple I have had for some time were $80 for 4 oz, so there is still plenty left. Thought I would spray them on rather than wash them off at that price!

Glycerin, I think I hit upon this last time - I just want to try it out. Leisureguy's Guide stated the Dr. Moss in there did it, but can only imagine done w/making it diluted at the time of shave. Like, just to try it to see if it helps. I like another idea from BB member about using Noxema as preshave. Seems fine to me, it's very similar I noticed as to the Proraso Pre-Shave Creme in texture consistency.
That's my only use for the Glycerin -- to make the face feel slippery especially at the end when 'buffing' with the razor after the little parts that need it.

Water-based as related to Organic. I mean in the Chemistry-sense, not in the farming sense. Organic in the sense as the chemistry of the Carbon atom. It's just been used in industries for so long that the name became synonyms between industries, as for the longest time before the Organic Chemists knew they were just dealing with Carbon atoms (Like carbon-based life forms; bacterium in particular in the Bio-Chem world). I studied a solid year about the reactions between Carbon-based molecules and solutes like water, so that's the connection I naturally make now. Sorry to confuse. Yes, I am familiar with Organic-based farming and due to the lack of policing, there is no real way to tell if something was done organically all the time every time. I personally find it is a lot of hoopla over not so much, but I think many people including myself are particular about the abuse of pesticides, herbacides, etc. and that unscrupulous farmers over-used these chemicals and thus contaminated the fields for years to come - and anything that kills bugs, kills people too - it's just the amounts that change since it's all some sort of poison. That's what started this "Organic 'revolution'". When my grandpa farmed 60-80 some years ago, it was all "Organic" since they never could afford those expensively-bought pesticides anyway, so they just planted more and prayed more I suppose, but it was a different era - Way back then - they knew to do this. Weird.

Thanks for the tips about Methyl-and Ethyl-Alcohols. Yes, one we can drink and feel drunk and the other will kill us in relatively small quantities. So it is good to know which one is which. I would venture to guess that the SD-40 Alcohol is the antimicrobial I see so widely used in cosmetics.

I appreciate your time to help me get this sorted out. I will have to check out your website soon about your offerings and see how any of those fit into my current hygeine transition/s.

Kind regards,

-p

Quote:I would venture to guess that the SD-40 Alcohol is the antimicrobial I see so widely used in cosmetics.

SD-40 Alcohol is a fancy name for Denatured Alcohol. The same stuff (more or less) that you find in the hardware store where paint supplies are sold. But it's high proof alcohol that has an additive added so it can't be drank unlike everclear type alcohol. But perfumers alcohol, SD-40 (denatured alcohol) and everclear all have the same anti-microbial properties which is why it's used.

But in cosmetics (as defined by the FDA) they want to make sure they use one that people won't drink to get drunk like cough syrup. However a lot of crafters do use everclear type alcohol which is fine for personal use, but not for selling because of the ATF.

that's actually very funny about the ATF. I guess if you get enough of that across state lines it would fall under the RICO act.

I suppose that SD-40 Alcohol is just meaning 40% or 80 proof? I dunno, lemme google it and see what that reads. Ha. Learn sumpthin new every day. The "SD" stands for "Specially Denatured" and the "40" or seen as "40-B" is an arbitrary number labelled by the ATF.

Interesting note: if it just says 'alcohol' on the label, the mean ethanol or the the grain-alcohol you speak about. So, that's good to know and why they don't use it in cosmetics I suppose - and the kids that eat lipstick won't get drunk. LOL.

Yes, alcohols in general are nasty to microbes and nerves. I had some injected into me once to try to relieve some abdominal pain; it helped, but permanently destroyed part of my nerve net in the gut. Nasty business. Ooops. TMI.

Gotta fly. Thanks for the clarification on all that. I like learning new things : it will also make me a better consumer to know what's in the bottle kind of stuff.

Best,

-p

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(08-12-2011 02:12 PM)Krissy Wrote:  

Quote:I would venture to guess that the SD-40 Alcohol is the antimicrobial I see so widely used in cosmetics.

SD-40 Alcohol is a fancy name for Denatured Alcohol. The same stuff (more or less) that you find in the hardware store where paint supplies are sold. But it's high proof alcohol that has an additive added so it can't be drank unlike everclear type alcohol. But perfumers alcohol, SD-40 (denatured alcohol) and everclear all have the same anti-microbial properties which is why it's used.

But in cosmetics (as defined by the FDA) they want to make sure they use one that people won't drink to get drunk like cough syrup. However a lot of crafters do use everclear type alcohol which is fine for personal use, but not for selling because of the ATF.